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maldon007
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:21:26 PM
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So I have worked on a gun or two, and used to help people work on guns on the team... But it seems like most of the guys have learned to do their own stuff to a great degree [or already did, way before me :)]

Anyway, a lot of new upgrades are just bolt-on, and it can be tempting to bolt a lot of crap to your gun that may or may not help anything. In this thread, please ask about any upgrades you may be thinking of doing to your markers, and myself & the other techs will gladely tell you how stupid... I mean, weather it's a god idea or not, and why!

I will start with some Invert Mini upgrades, since I was talking about this with Jim (DLP) before the game Sat.



maldon007
#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:32:05 PM
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Invert Mini upgrades/mods.


Invert Mini Trigger adjustment warning!!!
So your trigger has a bit too much play? Be careful adjusting it!!! Its not like adjusting any marker with a "contact" type swith... There is NEVER a click, so it is easy to go too far with the set screws (of which there are too many) and get lost... Not knowing which way to turn (literally), and unable to get the marker to shoot, cause the trigger is way past, or way before, where it sets off the sensor & tells the board to fire! Follow directions precisely, and if you loose the "fire point" STOP! And ask for help. That is all.



First cheapest upgrade anyone should do, is- replace the battery door screw with a thumb screw for tool-free battery changes & board adjustments.



Thats the stock screw, it is a 6-32 Countersunk Head Stainless Steel screw, shown above. I replace this with a 6-32 Nylon Thumb-Screw, from home depot. A black one would be ideal, but I havent found one... Maybe at Ace or something like tractor supply.

HD screw- http://www.homedepot.com...knurld-nylon-84328.html

These come in a 2-pack for like $.80 or so, and need trimmed, if you want a nice quick on/off. I usually just put the screw on a counter top & cut with a sharp plain-edge kitchen knife. I leave about 5 or 6 threads, which is plenty.

Dont overtighten, is these screws strip easy... But if you snug them nicely, they dont come loose (unlike the stock ones, which need to be very tight to not rattle loose).


The same trick can be done with the stock feed neck screw, replacing it with a 8-32 thumb screw. One extra mod you need to do with this is- grind off a bit of the "neck" below the knurled bit, since this part hits part of the screw hole & drags the top off center.


Barrel- barrels for the Mini are Autococker thread, any high-end two-stage barrel will slightly improve efficiency & reduce report. But accuracy will not be improved noticeably. If accuracy is an issue, check consistancy of velocity (mainly for issues in the vertical plane [up/down accuracy]) & paint quality... Money spent on a barrel, is usually better spent on paint/air for practice shooting, since accuracy is 60-80% shooter/20-40% gun, generally.


Bolt- A replacement bolt for the mini can be a trade off in performance, since the lighter (and non bumpered) bolt, may break brittle paint more. The lighter bolt will generally be more efficient & allow a higher possible ROF.

This is my bolt- http://cgi.ebay.com/New-...amp;hash=item43a50f1965

I also have a spring kit, which I use the lightest spring from- http://www.amazon.com/Ne...ce-Spring/dp/B0015S39M2




Will add more later....
Lee
#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:55:54 PM
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Most excellent idea for a thread Don.

My advice: Joe-touch nothing.
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redfireant3
#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 7:23:44 PM
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THE BARREL MUST BE CARBON FIBER!!!!!!!!!

maldon007
#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 9:58:39 PM
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redfireant3 wrote:
THE BARREL MUST BE CARBON FIBER!!!!!!!!!



Cf barrels are the ssshhhhhhiiiiiii, but BUT really, does the best $250 fiber barrel really shoot any better than a $60 Dye UL, in the same size? I doubt it... but just plain coolness? Yeah, all day.





Now on the the anoying ASA/Regulator on the invert mini. They skimped a bit on this, pbobably to get the the gun on the market quickly. The issue with this asa is, having no on/off/bleed & threads that are a bit tight. This puts a lot of wear on the tank threads & asa threads when you put on the tank & take the tank off. This, because the tank is under pressure all the way off (pushing thread against thread), till air escapes around the o-ring as it enters the more open part of the asa. Also you ruin tank o-rings at a high rate.

The damage this causes can be seen inside the Mini's asa (clean inside well with oily cloth & inspect the treads to see this) as well as to the threads of the tank. If the tank has chromed over brass threads, the wear may be transfered 99% to the asa only, since the chrome is significantly harder than the aluminum inside the asa. Aluminum threaded tanks get jacked up pretty quick.

The best fix is the new asa/reg preplacement from invert/empire. It is specifically made for the mini, as only an asa/reg made for it, can work. http://cgi.ebay.com/Empi...amp;hash=item45f811485c These may be found cheaper elsewhere, I didnt price check. This is a bolt on, simple & perfect fix.

But there are two cheaper ways around this... though one is only a partial fix.
One is an on/off/bleed that goes between the tank and the asa- http://cgi.ebay.com/Thre...amp;hash=item19c2837d9d This basically acts as the new ASA would, but is a seperate piece... The down side is, it adds about 2 or 3 inches to the length of the gun/tank... Not so good for smaller players ( Sorry AJ, this fix is not for you )

Last is my personal invention, the trim of the pin depressor in the asa. I remove the brass plate that has the little pokey thing on it (after figuring out how much I can trim) and grind down the pin as much as I can. What this does is- lets the tank screw almost all the way in, before it opens the tank & pressurizes the asa (causing the thread wear) what this does is let most of the treads get a good footing, before the pressure hits them. This more/less eliminates thread wear on the way IN. But removing the tank (though this seems to be a little better than putting it in), still grinds metal... So for removal, you safety the gun, then SHOOT it as you unscrew, this lets the pressure off as you unscrew.

In combo, the mod & the shooting as you unscrew, probably removes about 80% of the thread wear, as compared to just screwing & unscrewing the tank as normal.

The down side of this is, having to shoot the gun to remove the tank is a pain & can be hard in a safe zone (btw, start doing this now, sans any other fixes). The other downside is- the grind on the pin depressor MAY be tank-specific, as in... The pin on the tank MAY be of an unusual depth, and grinding the depressor to just hit that specific tank, may cause other tanks to not fully open (or open at all) in the asa. On the good side, I can usually tell if this is the case & can recomend NOT doing the grind, in those cases.



Damn that was a lot... just to address the friggin asa :P


Oh yeah, I will do the grind mod for anyone who wants it, because "It's fun, it's easy, and you gonna learn all about it." -Tin Tin, The Crow.
Les
#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:34:07 PM
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I thought about this for craps and giggles... especially for the mini.. Micro switch buttons to replace the trigger. Correct me if I am wrong, but on an electric marker, the trigger only job is to make contact for a switch. Would having say duel micro switches make for a more efficent triigger pull and a faster response time?

Just my 2 cents...
redfireant3
#7 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:22:16 PM
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you can run faster jump higher with carbon fiber

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#8 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:52:32 PM
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well an easy fix to any asa with no on/off or bleader hole is too simply make one if you have a very steady hand cause you don't want too screw up the anno if you can't do it you can still drill a hole and send the part out for anno
pump verses tank = pump wins
maldon007
#9 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 6:16:25 AM
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sniper88 wrote:
well an easy fix to any asa with no on/off or bleader hole is too simply make one if you have a very steady hand cause you don't want too screw up the anno if you can't do it you can still drill a hole and send the part out for anno


The asa has a bleeder hole already, it just doesnt work well enough... Not sure why. A look at that might be a good idea though... Maybe do another one, a little further in, so it releases quicker.

*goes to look*
Lee
#10 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 8:30:28 PM
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"bleeder hole"

thats just wrong.
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redfireant3
#11 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 9:48:23 PM
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the Bieber hole....?

maldon007
#12 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 3:39:14 AM
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Yeah, so there is a "bieber" hole just past the o-ring seal area... Right at the begining of the ASA threads. I assume I could drill a new one, farther in, actually on the smooth part, but I would think it might tend to rip up the o-ring. I may have an extra mini asa somewhere, if I can find it I willgive it a try.

The down side to this, if it works, is it will only move up the point of pressure release a bit, since you cant go too far or you will be emptying your tank as soon as it hits the pin depressor. This, in conjunction with a trim of the pin depressor, might be a good/cheap way to go... Or a quick way to make sure no other tanks can work on your asa :(

Still working on this... Not much really left to say on the mini, you got triggers (most are no better than stock, or worse), you got detents (same deal), you got bolt guides (you guessed it)... If you just want to shoot paint way too fast, a new $100 board will do you good.

As far as modding the trigger with buttons, nah... It doesnt have a "contact" switch type trigger, it has a crazy magnet sensing type...Which brings me to a warning I will post at the top, on trigger adjustment!!!
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